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		<title>By: Fer</title>
		<link>http://www.draconis.com/blog/2007/12/10/switching-to-gmail/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Fer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI can you help me please. I would like to transfer all my mail from my mac to gmail. I followed the instructions for setting up a new account in apple for the gmail. However I am having problems. When I go to my folders and drag and drop the mail into the gmail inbox, it goes to the gmail account but then it also comes back to the gmail mbox on the mac. If I delete a message in the gmail mbox it also deletes the message in my actual gmail account . I think that two are synced. I am not very computer saavy and this has become a bit of a frustration, because I had loads of emails in my googlemail that all of a sudden started importing into mail, into the gmail inbox. So I deleted them from the gmail mail account on my mac and it also deleted them from my gmail account.
Someone please help me, all I want to do is transfer all my mail to gmail easily and in a simple way that a novice can understand with clear step by step instructions. My mac has run out of space and I need to do something. I would be happy to talk to anyone on the phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI can you help me please. I would like to transfer all my mail from my mac to gmail. I followed the instructions for setting up a new account in apple for the gmail. However I am having problems. When I go to my folders and drag and drop the mail into the gmail inbox, it goes to the gmail account but then it also comes back to the gmail mbox on the mac. If I delete a message in the gmail mbox it also deletes the message in my actual gmail account . I think that two are synced. I am not very computer saavy and this has become a bit of a frustration, because I had loads of emails in my googlemail that all of a sudden started importing into mail, into the gmail inbox. So I deleted them from the gmail mail account on my mac and it also deleted them from my gmail account.<br />
Someone please help me, all I want to do is transfer all my mail to gmail easily and in a simple way that a novice can understand with clear step by step instructions. My mac has run out of space and I need to do something. I would be happy to talk to anyone on the phone.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.draconis.com/blog/2007/12/10/switching-to-gmail/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff: No, labels don&#039;t modify a message in any way.  When you forward the email to your secondary account, it will need to search for key words in that email to apply the label.  So this may not be possible, if you&#039;re just manually applying labels to your messages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff: No, labels don&#8217;t modify a message in any way.  When you forward the email to your secondary account, it will need to search for key words in that email to apply the label.  So this may not be possible, if you&#8217;re just manually applying labels to your messages.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Ruday</title>
		<link>http://www.draconis.com/blog/2007/12/10/switching-to-gmail/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Ruday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan - Regarding your comment above:

&quot;Third, you’re right: you won’t be able to assign labels using the auto-forward, but if you setup your filters correctly on your mirror Gmail account, you can reapply those labels when it receives a forwarded email. So, on the mirror account, setup filters that check for keywords for each message to assign your labels to.&quot;

When you manually apply a label, does that process actually create a key word in that message? i.e. If I manually apply the label &quot;dog&quot; to an email, then forward that e-mail to my secondary e-mail account (which has a filter set to look for the word &quot;dog&quot;), will the secondary account apply the label &quot;dog&quot; to the forwarded e-mail when received?

Thanks for you help thus far. I think I am close to being ready to give this a shot.

Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan &#8211; Regarding your comment above:</p>
<p>&#8220;Third, you’re right: you won’t be able to assign labels using the auto-forward, but if you setup your filters correctly on your mirror Gmail account, you can reapply those labels when it receives a forwarded email. So, on the mirror account, setup filters that check for keywords for each message to assign your labels to.&#8221;</p>
<p>When you manually apply a label, does that process actually create a key word in that message? i.e. If I manually apply the label &#8220;dog&#8221; to an email, then forward that e-mail to my secondary e-mail account (which has a filter set to look for the word &#8220;dog&#8221;), will the secondary account apply the label &#8220;dog&#8221; to the forwarded e-mail when received?</p>
<p>Thanks for you help thus far. I think I am close to being ready to give this a shot.</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.draconis.com/blog/2007/12/10/switching-to-gmail/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff: First, yes: labels are treated as folders in IMAP (an email that appears in multiple folders means it has multiple labels).

Second, to create that mirror Gmail account, yes: you would need to (painstakingly) recreate each label and filter, which can be quite a bit of work.

Third, you&#039;re right: you won&#039;t be able to assign labels using the auto-forward, but if you setup your filters correctly on your mirror Gmail account, you can reapply those labels when it receives a forwarded email.  So, on the mirror account, setup filters that check for keywords for each message to assign your labels to.

Fourth, you may not be able to just do the forward/filter tip I suggested, due to your setup (if you do a lot of manual labeling, for instance).  In that case, you&#039;re options are to either relabel each item in your mirror Gmail account, or &quot;just live with it&quot; as a collection of lots of emails forwarded.

And finally, for the process of copying, again: I don&#039;t use Thunderbird and don&#039;t know much about copying messages using it.  But if it&#039;s like Apple Mail, then you can do the following: select one or multiple messages, start dragging them to the destination Gmail folder, then press down the Command key (a green plus icon will appear, to indicate you&#039;re COPYING, rather than MOVING, your messages), then drop those messages on that destination folder.  I imagine Thunderbird is similar.

Anyway, like I said, try copying just one message to start and seeing what happens.  Also, I suggest you check out the ThunderBird community support sites (http://www.mozilla.org/support/#forums) for better information than I can provide.  Hope this helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff: First, yes: labels are treated as folders in IMAP (an email that appears in multiple folders means it has multiple labels).</p>
<p>Second, to create that mirror Gmail account, yes: you would need to (painstakingly) recreate each label and filter, which can be quite a bit of work.</p>
<p>Third, you&#8217;re right: you won&#8217;t be able to assign labels using the auto-forward, but if you setup your filters correctly on your mirror Gmail account, you can reapply those labels when it receives a forwarded email.  So, on the mirror account, setup filters that check for keywords for each message to assign your labels to.</p>
<p>Fourth, you may not be able to just do the forward/filter tip I suggested, due to your setup (if you do a lot of manual labeling, for instance).  In that case, you&#8217;re options are to either relabel each item in your mirror Gmail account, or &#8220;just live with it&#8221; as a collection of lots of emails forwarded.</p>
<p>And finally, for the process of copying, again: I don&#8217;t use Thunderbird and don&#8217;t know much about copying messages using it.  But if it&#8217;s like Apple Mail, then you can do the following: select one or multiple messages, start dragging them to the destination Gmail folder, then press down the Command key (a green plus icon will appear, to indicate you&#8217;re COPYING, rather than MOVING, your messages), then drop those messages on that destination folder.  I imagine Thunderbird is similar.</p>
<p>Anyway, like I said, try copying just one message to start and seeing what happens.  Also, I suggest you check out the ThunderBird community support sites (<a href="http://www.mozilla.org/support/#forums" rel="nofollow">http://www.mozilla.org/support/#forums</a>) for better information than I can provide.  Hope this helps!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.draconis.com/blog/2007/12/10/switching-to-gmail/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan: Thanks again. Two additional matters. I believe that when you use IMAP to download messages from Gmail the TB, the Gmail labels translate into TB folders. Do you agree?

I use my primary Gmail account as my Getting Things Done (GTD) workspace, so I rely heavily on Gmail labels and filters. To be effective for me, I will need to create and maintain the secondary Gmail account with *exactly* the same labels and filters for all messages, initial and new.

I understand that IMAP will allow me to initially create a second Gmail account that is a mirror image of my primary account. However I do not think the auto-forward process you suggest will allow me assign labels to a message before it is forwarded. The result of auto-forwarding messages therefore would not be consistent with the maintenance of a constantly mirrored site.

Due to my extensive use of labels and filters it may not be possible for me to &quot;maintain&quot; a mirrored site. If possible that would be ideal, but my *goal* is just to be able to create a mirrored site (using local data in TB) in the unlikely event I am unable to access my primary Gmail account. I have read where this has happened.

Finally, can you please explain in a little more detail the process of copying the folders from the primary Gmail account to the secondary Gmail account within TB? Do you &quot;drag&quot; the folders, c/p them ... exactly how? Is this done in the &quot;All Folders&quot; panel of the TB main screen? Any chance we could exchange some &quot;screen shots&quot; to help me better understand how to actually do this task. I understand it, but not confident exactly how to do it.

Thanks for your patience. Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan: Thanks again. Two additional matters. I believe that when you use IMAP to download messages from Gmail the TB, the Gmail labels translate into TB folders. Do you agree?</p>
<p>I use my primary Gmail account as my Getting Things Done (GTD) workspace, so I rely heavily on Gmail labels and filters. To be effective for me, I will need to create and maintain the secondary Gmail account with *exactly* the same labels and filters for all messages, initial and new.</p>
<p>I understand that IMAP will allow me to initially create a second Gmail account that is a mirror image of my primary account. However I do not think the auto-forward process you suggest will allow me assign labels to a message before it is forwarded. The result of auto-forwarding messages therefore would not be consistent with the maintenance of a constantly mirrored site.</p>
<p>Due to my extensive use of labels and filters it may not be possible for me to &#8220;maintain&#8221; a mirrored site. If possible that would be ideal, but my *goal* is just to be able to create a mirrored site (using local data in TB) in the unlikely event I am unable to access my primary Gmail account. I have read where this has happened.</p>
<p>Finally, can you please explain in a little more detail the process of copying the folders from the primary Gmail account to the secondary Gmail account within TB? Do you &#8220;drag&#8221; the folders, c/p them &#8230; exactly how? Is this done in the &#8220;All Folders&#8221; panel of the TB main screen? Any chance we could exchange some &#8220;screen shots&#8221; to help me better understand how to actually do this task. I understand it, but not confident exactly how to do it.</p>
<p>Thanks for your patience. Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.draconis.com/blog/2007/12/10/switching-to-gmail/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff: Okay, I think I understand better now.  I did something similar when I was experimenting with this IMAP setup, in that I had a secondary Gmail account where I would upload one message at a time from my local copy to see what would happen.

What I suggest trying is to use your secondary account and copy over just one message.  Start with that and see how it works.  Consider sending yourself an email that you don&#039;t care about, and experiment with it.  Then, try dragging that email over to your secondary Gmail account, and see what happens.  Did the email copy over?  Did it get deleted from the first account?  If you can answer those questions, then you&#039;ll have a pretty good idea of what will happen when you actually copy over your real messages.

One other thing: to keep your emails in sync with both Gmail accounts, I imagine you&#039;re going to setup an &quot;auto-forwarder&quot;?  You can do this using Gmail, where it will automatically forward every email that comes in to your secondary Gmail account.  Then you won&#039;t have to worry about copying messages over like this again: they&#039;ll already be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff: Okay, I think I understand better now.  I did something similar when I was experimenting with this IMAP setup, in that I had a secondary Gmail account where I would upload one message at a time from my local copy to see what would happen.</p>
<p>What I suggest trying is to use your secondary account and copy over just one message.  Start with that and see how it works.  Consider sending yourself an email that you don&#8217;t care about, and experiment with it.  Then, try dragging that email over to your secondary Gmail account, and see what happens.  Did the email copy over?  Did it get deleted from the first account?  If you can answer those questions, then you&#8217;ll have a pretty good idea of what will happen when you actually copy over your real messages.</p>
<p>One other thing: to keep your emails in sync with both Gmail accounts, I imagine you&#8217;re going to setup an &#8220;auto-forwarder&#8221;?  You can do this using Gmail, where it will automatically forward every email that comes in to your secondary Gmail account.  Then you won&#8217;t have to worry about copying messages over like this again: they&#8217;ll already be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.draconis.com/blog/2007/12/10/switching-to-gmail/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan -- Thanks for your note. Actually what I am attempting to do is create a &quot;system&quot; that will allow me at any time, to create a mirror image of my primary Gmail account, using the data that is synced daily between TB and my primary Gmail account. I already have on stand by a secondary Gmail account set up with labels and filters that mirror my primary account. This account is &quot;empty&quot; and is simply &quot;standing by.&quot;

Should I ever be unable to access my primary Gmail account, I want to be able to immediately &quot;upload&quot; all primary Gmail account data stored in my local TB folders into my standby secondary Gmail account. This is my objective.

As I do not use TB as my email client I am not all that familiar with its folder structure. I can see that TB has created a set of folders that mirror my primary Gmail labels. I also know how to create an additional TB user account and link it to my secondary Gmail account. What I DON&#039;T specifically know how to do is: (1) drag the correct folders from one account to the other in TB, and (2) most importantly, protect the data in my primary Gmail account as I upload the local TB data into the secondary Gmail account.

I have been studying this process for a while now, and the only think I lack is hands on experience with the folder copying step and the knowledge of how to make sure my primary Gmail data is preserved. Sorry to be so long winded. Thank you. Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan &#8212; Thanks for your note. Actually what I am attempting to do is create a &#8220;system&#8221; that will allow me at any time, to create a mirror image of my primary Gmail account, using the data that is synced daily between TB and my primary Gmail account. I already have on stand by a secondary Gmail account set up with labels and filters that mirror my primary account. This account is &#8220;empty&#8221; and is simply &#8220;standing by.&#8221;</p>
<p>Should I ever be unable to access my primary Gmail account, I want to be able to immediately &#8220;upload&#8221; all primary Gmail account data stored in my local TB folders into my standby secondary Gmail account. This is my objective.</p>
<p>As I do not use TB as my email client I am not all that familiar with its folder structure. I can see that TB has created a set of folders that mirror my primary Gmail labels. I also know how to create an additional TB user account and link it to my secondary Gmail account. What I DON&#8217;T specifically know how to do is: (1) drag the correct folders from one account to the other in TB, and (2) most importantly, protect the data in my primary Gmail account as I upload the local TB data into the secondary Gmail account.</p>
<p>I have been studying this process for a while now, and the only think I lack is hands on experience with the folder copying step and the knowledge of how to make sure my primary Gmail data is preserved. Sorry to be so long winded. Thank you. Jeff</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.draconis.com/blog/2007/12/10/switching-to-gmail/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff: So, if I understand correctly, you want archive all of the email that&#039;s currently in ThunderBird into Gmail (i.e. messages stored in TB that were there before you setup your Gmail account)?  If this is correct, then the idea is this: add your Gmail account to Thunderbird as a second account, using the IMAP protocol (instructions from Google are at http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=75725), then drag+copy the email messages from your existing TB folders into the corresponding Gmail folders.  To prevent losing any messages, be sure you COPY (not MOVE) your email messages.

Sorry I can&#039;t be more helpful, though, as I&#039;m not using ThunderBird for email (just Apple Mail).  Post any other questions you have though, as others may be able to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff: So, if I understand correctly, you want archive all of the email that&#8217;s currently in ThunderBird into Gmail (i.e. messages stored in TB that were there before you setup your Gmail account)?  If this is correct, then the idea is this: add your Gmail account to Thunderbird as a second account, using the IMAP protocol (instructions from Google are at <a href="http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=75725" rel="nofollow">http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=75725</a>), then drag+copy the email messages from your existing TB folders into the corresponding Gmail folders.  To prevent losing any messages, be sure you COPY (not MOVE) your email messages.</p>
<p>Sorry I can&#8217;t be more helpful, though, as I&#8217;m not using ThunderBird for email (just Apple Mail).  Post any other questions you have though, as others may be able to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Ruday</title>
		<link>http://www.draconis.com/blog/2007/12/10/switching-to-gmail/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Ruday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been searching for a while now for specific directions on how to do this. I currently have TB downloading all my Gmail, but only for back up. I do not use TB as my primary client, I use Outlook. My objective is to be able to create a mirrored Gmail account with the data in TB should I ever not be able to access my Gmail account. Because I do not use TB as my client I am not sure exactly how to &quot;drag&quot; the folders, or exactly which folders to drag. I am also concerned that if I test this method I may run the risk of accidentally deleting some of my Gmail data. I would be very grateful if you could provide the step by step method, possibly with some screen shots, so that I do not risk losing data. Thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been searching for a while now for specific directions on how to do this. I currently have TB downloading all my Gmail, but only for back up. I do not use TB as my primary client, I use Outlook. My objective is to be able to create a mirrored Gmail account with the data in TB should I ever not be able to access my Gmail account. Because I do not use TB as my client I am not sure exactly how to &#8220;drag&#8221; the folders, or exactly which folders to drag. I am also concerned that if I test this method I may run the risk of accidentally deleting some of my Gmail data. I would be very grateful if you could provide the step by step method, possibly with some screen shots, so that I do not risk losing data. Thank you very much.</p>
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